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Old 13th August 2007, 06:09 AM
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Hi nev,
a quick request/suggestion: Would be great to be able to change the background/foreground colors of entries in the knowledge tree. (I know you can do this to some extent in the content window).

Right now, when you highlight or add color to text in the content window, if it is folder title or article title text, that color is not reflected back in teh knowledge tree.

Also right now, when you change the "content color theme", once again the content window color changes (tho there too it is not a 'per folder' setting but set for the entire database - would be nice if it were per-folder). But that color change is not reflected back in any way in the knowledge tree entry for that folder.

So what I'm suggesting/requesting is for such color options to be applied to the knowledge tree too, to the heading text for folder/article entries in the knowledge tree.

Two obvious uses for this would be:
-a way to clearly highlight an individual folder or article in the knowledge tree.
-would also be a way to highlight or 'block out' a SET of (contiguous) folders or set of contiguous articles with color, in the knowledge tree.

For people with very long knowledge trees (we're talking 30 pages of scrolling in the knowledge tree alone), being able to mark off sections of the knowledge tree very clearly this way, would be a great help. (Cross reference my earlier request for knowledge tree bookmarks!).

Thanks!
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Old 14th August 2007, 06:50 AM
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Hi nev,
a quick request/suggestion: Would be great to be able to change the background/foreground colors of entries in the knowledge tree. (I know you can do this to some extent in the content window).

Right now, when you highlight or add color to text in the content window, if it is folder title or article title text, that color is not reflected back in teh knowledge tree.

Also right now, when you change the "content color theme", once again the content window color changes (tho there too it is not a 'per folder' setting but set for the entire database - would be nice if it were per-folder). But that color change is not reflected back in any way in the knowledge tree entry for that folder.

So what I'm suggesting/requesting is for such color options to be applied to the knowledge tree too, to the heading text for folder/article entries in the knowledge tree.

Two obvious uses for this would be:
-a way to clearly highlight an individual folder or article in the knowledge tree.
-would also be a way to highlight or 'block out' a SET of (contiguous) folders or set of contiguous articles with color, in the knowledge tree.

For people with very long knowledge trees (we're talking 30 pages of scrolling in the knowledge tree alone), being able to mark off sections of the knowledge tree very clearly this way, would be a great help. (Cross reference my earlier request for knowledge tree bookmarks!).

Thanks!
Hi Jai,
Seems like a pretty reasonable suggestion to me. One problem I see though is that there isn't any of the edit format capabilities in the tree that you have in the content window (ex. setting text color, bold etc.), so to ensure these attributes were kept you would need to do any editing in the content window.

I pretty sure there is a request in to allow bold text in the tree, which ties in with your suggestion.

I'm undecided how Tags will be displayed in the tree, or even if a tree will be used vs. a Tag Cloud. If the tree is used, then display enhancements maybe needed in the tree.

Taken on board and added to the todo list.
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Old 14th August 2007, 03:44 PM
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Hi Jai,
Seems like a pretty reasonable suggestion to me. One problem I see though is that there isn't any of the edit format capabilities in the tree that you have in the content window (ex. setting text color, bold etc.), so to ensure these attributes were kept you would need to do any editing in the content window.

I pretty sure there is a request in to allow bold text in the tree, which ties in with your suggestion.

I'm undecided how Tags will be displayed in the tree, or even if a tree will be used vs. a Tag Cloud. If the tree is used, then display enhancements maybe needed in the tree.

Taken on board and added to the todo list.
thanks. Regarding tree and/or tag cloud, please do keep in mind that the tree offers a folder-organization-and-structure (ie, capability to "nest" information) which tags dont usually allow, unless you're planning to allow tag clouds to appear "nested". the "nesting" capability is 100% crucial for anyone organizing a vast amount of data!
Some PIM's that i've seen have offered both as "views" - ie, a folder "view", and another button to see the "tag cloud view". Maybe thats a solution? Unless you find some other way to integrate them. But please dont get rid of folders AS SUCH I ask because I've actually seen certain PIMs out there that, once they implemented tags, just got rid of folders (and with it, the nesting ability) altogether! That would be disastrous!
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Old 14th August 2007, 07:01 PM
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Hi Jai,
Seems like a pretty reasonable suggestion to me. One problem I see though is that there isn't any of the edit format capabilities in the tree that you have in the content window (ex. setting text color, bold etc.), so to ensure these attributes were kept you would need to do any editing in the content window.

p.s., that would be fine (ie, doing the editing in the content window), so long as the results SHOW in the knowledge tree. That would be just fine.
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Old 15th August 2007, 07:58 AM
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thanks. Regarding tree and/or tag cloud, please do keep in mind that the tree offers a folder-organization-and-structure (ie, capability to "nest" information) which tags dont usually allow, unless you're planning to allow tag clouds to appear "nested". the "nesting" capability is 100% crucial for anyone organizing a vast amount of data!
Some PIM's that i've seen have offered both as "views" - ie, a folder "view", and another button to see the "tag cloud view". Maybe thats a solution? Unless you find some other way to integrate them. But please dont get rid of folders AS SUCH I ask because I've actually seen certain PIMs out there that, once they implemented tags, just got rid of folders (and with it, the nesting ability) altogether! That would be disastrous!
Jai,
Don't worry the tree+folders is here to stay. Tags will be a separate view in the Knowledge Tree bar area selected by a new button at top of same. And I am looking at nested or hierarchical tags.
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Old 15th August 2007, 10:16 PM
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Jai,
Don't worry the tree+folders is here to stay. Tags will be a separate view in the Knowledge Tree bar area selected by a new button at top of same. And I am looking at nested or hierarchical tags.
Thanks! Yes, it doesnt matter to me HOW you implement them (ie, as nested tags (virtual folders) or as actual folders, so long as the tree+folder *functionality* remains...
Thanks nev!
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Old 30th August 2007, 04:38 PM
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This has to a be a "stupid boy" type question (British TV "Dad's Army" comedy show to make sense) but one presumes that it'll be possible to search on tags as distinct to text search.

chris :-)

(just asking, please don't shout at me <grin>)
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Old 2nd September 2007, 10:57 PM
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This has to a be a "stupid boy" type question (British TV "Dad's Army" comedy show to make sense) but one presumes that it'll be possible to search on tags as distinct to text search.

chris :-)

(just asking, please don't shout at me <grin>)
Hi Chris,
This will come with "Advanced Search" which will let you search specific fields. My guess is that most Tag use will come from selecting them in the aforementioned Tags window/tree.
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Old 20th November 2007, 04:53 PM
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Jai,
Don't worry the tree+folders is here to stay. Tags will be a separate view in the Knowledge Tree bar area selected by a new button at top of same. And I am looking at nested or hierarchical tags.
We are working with Knowledge Tree but we need more extensive indexing than is offered. For example, the metadata lookup tags don't offer multiselect and the metadata text tags don't allow more than 254 characters. We need to index dozens and dozens of family names within documents, but fear that KT does not allow this. We thought cloud tags would do it but alas, it twas not so.

Anyone know how to do complex indexing in Knowledge Tree?

Thanks,
James Love
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Old 21st November 2007, 07:14 PM
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Hi James,
I don't think your post is related to our product Surfulater!
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We are working with Knowledge Tree but we need more extensive indexing than is offered. For example, the metadata lookup tags don't offer multiselect and the metadata text tags don't allow more than 254 characters. We need to index dozens and dozens of family names within documents, but fear that KT does not allow this. We thought cloud tags would do it but alas, it twas not so.

Anyone know how to do complex indexing in Knowledge Tree?

Thanks,
James Love
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